The page that Zemo reads from is supposed to contain the trigger words. But it also seems that there’s a drawing of an eye with instructions and explanations and the note on the bottom of the left page says “7 …(adjective, the kind of stitches I assume) stitches are situated relative to the center of the eye”. So imagine they had to operate on Bucky to ensure that those trigger words stick, among other horrible things. Now excuse me, I’m gonna go cry in the corner.
!!! that is actually a very scary addition to the theory. I was thinking about that head clamp plate thingy too, who knows what kinds of horrors Hydra was putting Bucky through :
On a related note, my theory was that Zemo’s imperfect pronunciation and
word mix-up (доброкачественный is not добросердечный) did not tap into
the cognitive-behavioral conditioning as successfully as an exact
emulation of Karpov’s routine would’ve. And maybe Karpov kept saying
ржавОй instead of ржАвый, in a socio-regional pronunciation variant, on
purpose, to develop a failsafe for 100% efficient long-term Winter
Soldier activation that no one else would be able to master.
If the stimulus is not just audio-channel based, but audio-visual (requiring, say, special lighting, or the handler standing in a specific place in Bucky’s range of vision), then it’s clear Zemo just did not read the instruction manual carefully before proceeding.
Bottom right page, with number 4, says something like связь… слов… стимулирование…глаза, probably something about the stimulation of the eye [retina] in conjunction with code words?
tbh I still think that доброкачественный vs добросердечный was a mistake on their part (like, why can’t you find actual Russian peeps to consult???), so I never read much into that particular bit. But it could be interesting if the word choice was intentional. And maybe Karpov kept saying
ржавОй instead of ржАвый, in a socio-regional pronunciation variant, on
purpose,
I’m not sure how people pronounce it in Siberia, but I think it’s the same? So, again, I think it’s just their mistake. I can’t see any of your suggestions under number 4 though?? I can only see семь матрасных швов (“seven matress stitches”) etc. But it’d be cool to, given the chance, ask the set designers or the Russos to clarify this bit.
now this is a goddamn catch O_O
wasn’t the prop master for Marvel studios sharing images or a video clip of the notebook on social media? I could have sworn I saw that.
is this it?? its from ‘Russell Bobbitt’ at ‘marvelprops’
First of all, thanks for bringing back ALL THE PAIN Q__Q
Yes, I saw that video, but it’s too low quality for me to see anything :C
i just love this, because i never actually considered why that part of the head thing went over his eye, and what it might be effecting.
like, ive spent so much time thinking about the arm and how that might be connected and anchored, but not what might have been done outside of just the electricity and saying the words while that’s effecting his brain. like… eye surgery??? thats some hardcore shit
And to make everything worse – It started all the way back in Azzano, because after Steve saved Bucky the first time, you could see some scratches around his left eye.
“How does one man assert his power over another? [….] By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own?”
The recent panels are from Old Man Hawkeye, which means that it’s not “our” Bucky, as in the main timeline (616) Bucky. It’s Earth-807128, so he first appeared in Old Man Logan:
Hence the eyes
It’s a timeline I don’t follow, but here’s the gist of it: villains took over the US, BuckyCap fought Red Skull and lost, and then Red Skull turned him into the Winter Soldier and kept as his secret weapon.
Now we reach Old Man Hawkeye #6:
Bucky was sent to kill Bullseye, and ended up dead himself.
OK so now that I’ve had a chance to cool off and get some perspective, here’s the main reason I left Age of Ultron really pissed off at Joss Whedon (spoilers under the cut)
[op’s commentary and mine include mentions of forced sterilization and body violation. proceed with caution]
quoting op: ‘Bruce thinks he’s a monster because of the things he’s done to
people. Natasha thinks she’s a monster because of the things people have
done to her.‘
this made me realise how it stinks of victim (self-)blaming by placing a lot of negative focus on the person suffering from body violation.
the whole plot point heavily emphasises on how cis women supposedly have value and virtue only when their reproductive system is intact. and its terribly fishy how only SHE gets a tragic backstory which reduces her to her genitalia.
no matter how the russo brothers write bucky, im fairly certain that his flashbacks and trips down memory lane would never include something to do with people sexually violating him or sterilizing him like they did with nat. i mean even his sole flashback in catws included body violation-the vivisection-followed by him choking a doctor; thats active reclaiming of power. most of nats shots in the flashback showed her either being manhandled or lying passively on the table and silently crying. there was nothing powerful or self-owning in it, just the silent acceptance of abuse which terrified me more than anything.
im sorry if i went off track but…i have FEELINGS about how whedon thrashed nat
Thanks for bringing up Bucky. I’ve received a few comments from people disagreeing with my interpretation of Natasha’s backstory, arguing that ‘No, that’s
not what that scene is about, she’s just reassuring Bruce that she wants to
be with him, not saying she’s a monster because she’s sterile.’ But Scarlet Witch’s visions aren’t about Brucenat, they’re about tearing the Avengers apart. Why is that memory in particular supposed to make Natasha doubt her place in the team? The reason I put my foot down is that you would never write something like this for a male character.
Depictions of violence/implied torture, hallucinations, extreme emotional/mental distress
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In the dark of the night Bucky longs for closeness and a hand to hold in his own, someone to touch him gently or even to hit him, playfully, in that rough and caring way that belonged just to the two of them. Silent tears soak into the fabric of his cot. It’s something he has learned to do here, something he didn’t know could be done: crying, without movement or sound, without a change in breathing. He can’t even say that he is sad.
Because he certainly doesn’t wish for Steve to be here. God—when he thinks of it, in the moments when he can think, Bucky shudders with horror at the thought. Steve, in a place like this. No matter what the scientists told him, no matter how much of a hero Steve thinks he is, Bucky doesn’t want him here. Doesn’t want him to know this.
But when he feels the empty space beside him, inside him, he’ll be damned if there’s anything he wouldn’t give for just a heartbeat’s warmth.
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